top of page

Episode 29 - CJ Carter Minorities for MMJ, Cannamerical Realty

If you're looking for this episode of the bluegrass cannabis podcast, you can find it here on Youtube.

[00:00:00.650] - Elijah

Welcome to the bluegrass podcast. Today we're talking with CJ. Carter, state director of the Kentucky chapter of minorities for Medical Cannabis, owner of can commercial realty group, and a member of the Kentucky Hemp association's board of directors. We're talking cannabis in Kentucky, recent progress on senate bill 47, cj's journey as a medical patient, social equity programs, and more. Let's get started.

[00:00:30.730] - Elijah

So do you want to introduce yourself a little bit and talk about your own personal journey with

cannabis? I think that you have a special connection to it.

[00:00:40.030] - CJ

Yeah, absolutely. Ironically, just a quick story. My first time smoking cannabis was at my 8th grade

graduation party. It was a going away party for me and also a graduation party. Actually lived in

Frankfurt, Kentucky at the time. But fast forward to 2015 was when I was first introduced to the

cannabis space through my brother who had started the comfy tree Academy, which was a licensing

boot camp that traveled across the country helping individuals enter the cannabis space. Through

that time, of course, I was married, but my ex wife hated the fact that I smoked. So it was two weeks

prior to father's day weekend, summer 2018. I had quit smoking cold turkey, and we were on vacation

at gray Wolf Lodge in Cincinnati. And I just remember it was like six in the morning. I remember

waking up with like three guys in my face and I didn't know what was going on. I was really

discombobulated. So I started fighting with these guys because I thought somebody had broken into

our hotel room. And it was finally when my ex wife, she let me know that I had a seizure. It was the

first seizure of my life, as I said, ironically, after I quit smoking cold turkey.

[00:02:11.290] - CJ

Then a couple of weeks after that, I had another seizure, then another seizure, then another seizure,

and then after the fifth seizure is when they diagnosed me with temporal lobe epilepsy. So the

temporal lobe of my brain, it controls your memory and your speech. So my memory is not the best,

and sometimes my speech becomes a little slurred or I lose train of thought, like mid sentence

sometimes. But that diagnosis of epilepsy kind of changed everything for me in terms of my cannabis

journey because it was just the business at first. But then once I was diagnosed, I found out that this

is really my medicine. After the MRI that I had later that year in 2018, they found that I had a

carvanoma behind my left eye, which looks like a cave on the MRI. So it's like a dark spot in my brain

where they think that the seizures actually originate from. So I still have to get an MRI. The next one

that I have scheduled, they want to monitor to see if it's grown at all the cavernoma, and if it has,

they're going to want to do brain surgery, which is something I'm very apprehensive about.

[00:03:31.170] - CJ

So in the cannabis right now. This is a very brand new industry. It's a brand new marketplace that's

about to open. So with my diagnosis in the cannabis space, where I am an advocate and a patient, I've

established a few business fronts as well in terms of offering myself and my family. I have two boys

from my marriage of a seven and a three year old. And unfortunately, since I have a preexisting

condition, I'm unable to get any more life insurance. So I view my journey in the cannabis space as a

means of me providing for my two boys through my entrepreneurial pursuits. So life insurance isn't a

route for me, but succeeding in the cannabis space is. It's something that I'm very determined in

doing is succeeding in the ventures that I have set up. So currently, that's where I am in my cannabis

journey. It's been a long one, I guess, since my 8th grade graduation party to where I am today.

[00:04:37.190] - Elijah

Absolutely. And this might be a little too personal and let me know if it is, but do you think that using

cannabis before you got your diagnosis maybe pushed off having a seizure or showing symptoms of

what was already developing?

[00:04:54.670] - CJ

Well, I'm not a doctor or anything, but I said this to my doctor based off of the size of the cavernome

in my brain. It's not small and it's been there for a while based off of the size of it. I played sports

growing up. I played football. I was really good at football and had quite a few concussions and head

injuries. But it does seem as if I was medicating myself from my personal experience and the first

hand knowledge that I do have smoking majority of my life. And then all of a sudden, when I stop, then

these seizures emerge from this spot in my brain that's been there for quite some time. So that's the

one thing, the unfortunate thing about epilepsy, especially epilepsy with black men, there is currently

no research whatsoever. I've tried to search for clinical research associated with individuals who have

epilepsy, and when it comes to men, there's hardly any. And when it comes to black men, there's

none. So that's my own case study. From my perspective, it does seem as if I was medicating myself

throughout my life up until the point where I quit cold turkey.

[00:06:13.760] - CJ

And then that's when these setbacks started to happen.

[00:06:18.410] - Elijah

And if you want to talk about your own projects a little bit, I believe that one of those involves real

estate and locations for cannabis.

[00:06:27.630] - CJ

Yes. So being that I've been in the cannabis space for several years now, it's very apparent that one of

the most important entry points into the cannabis space is having properly zoned real estate. So

that's a huge void that needs to be filled within the cannabis space. And that's one thing that I tell a lot

of people who have questions and who want me to consult them on their cannabis businesses is that

the cannabis space is filled with voids. And if you have an idea or an entrepreneurial pursuit, you can

actually fill those voids, being that this is an industry that's in its infancy. So I identified that void being

that Kentucky, we're about to be a brand new market, so we haven't quite opened yet, but it's not a

matter of if, it's when. So I've established myself as an industry professional when it comes to real

estate, and my job is to assist individuals and businesses through the leasing, the management, and

sales of property. So I advise clients on their best courses of action when deciding on how to invest or

how to improve real property of a commercial asset. And that's where I've built and I've established

the can commercial realty group, which, as I said, it encompasses all aspects of sales, leasing,

investment in the improvement of retail, property, investment, property form, land, businesses,

industries, medical facilities, and a dozen other property types.

[00:08:10.440] - CJ

So it's the business where I see that something that's going to be really needed in terms of providing

that substantial analytical data along with financial information and market demographics that are

really going to determine the type of marketplace that we have here in Kentucky. It's something that it

has offered me a lot of teachable moments in learning the real nuances of the cannabis industry as it

relates to real estate. Because outside of real estate, another important thing of course, is capital. But

capital goes right in hand with the real estate because it's kind of all inclusive when you're trying to

establish, say, a dispensary cultivation facility or manufacturing testing, whatever the case may be.

I've placed myself in a position to work directly with industry leaders, with community leaders,

government officials, lawyers, zoning boards, who else? Accountants, mortgage companies, banks,

title companies, appraisers. This is uncharted territory as it relates to real estate. It's something that,

as I said, I'm creating this from the rubble, so to speak, or from a bare landscape building. Something

that I see is going to be viable. It's going to allow me to be sustainable in the cannabis space.

[00:09:46.570] - CJ

That's one of the things that often happens when people have an entrepreneurial pursuit and they

enter a cannabis space or enter the cannabis space. It's very difficult in trying to find success

because there are so many deterrence and there are so many undeterminable factors that occur in

the cannabis space. Being that it's still federally illegal, and here in the state of Kentucky, being that

we haven't even legalized yet. So just like in any other business venture, one of the most important

things is position. It's just like the game of chess. It's all on how you position yourself.

[00:10:26.730] - Elijah

And like you're talking about with different challenges, especially with cannabis, there really is a

demand for people who can give good advice, even with things like retail space, understanding how

close you can be to other businesses, schools, residential areas? No, there's definitely a demand. Do

you have any areas that you enjoy more than the others, like farms or maybe dispensaries or law

offices or anything that you've just found you gravitate more towards?

[00:10:58.450] - CJ

Well, pretty much anything dealing with real estate has been somewhere that I have an interest in,

whether that is farmland and talking to farmers who have vacant land or whether it's visiting industrial

parks in different cities here in the state, mainly here in Louisville and in Lexington. Old industrial

warehouses that have been sitting vacant and have been on the market for thousands of days. There

are quite a few properties listed on the MLS services that have been on the market for quite some

time where these property owners or landowners or whatever the case may be, they're unable to

move. That's where I come in. But I would say, like, retail space seems like that's the most or has the

highest supply of vacant retail space. That's where you'll see a lot of openings when it comes to

commercial real estate. And that's the one part of the supply chain that everybody's familiar with. Me

coming in contact with people, that's one of the things that they always talk about is I want to be a

dispensary owner or I want to own a dispensary. What people don't realize is that space in the supply

chain is going to be one of the most competitive because everybody wants to have a dispensary.

[00:12:26.840] - CJ

Everybody wants to have that retail location that looks like an Apple store, but they disperse weed or

they sell cannabis. But definitely on the retail spot of the supply chain. Pretty much anywhere in the

supply chain is an interest to me because at the end of the day, I view myself as a real estate

consultant, a cannabis real estate consultant, where I am assisting sellers, buyers, landlords and

tenants in the cannabis space. As I said earlier, this is very young, it's very in flux, and it's inherently

risky being in this business. It's all about doing the legwork and getting the proper deal completed.

And it's my goal to be able to maximize the value of a property and then also reduce the amount of

time wasted in obtaining an offer and an acceptance in a new lane, which is cannabis real estate. I

believe I'm one of the only agents in the state who considers this to be their niche. This is my niche in

real estate. In commercial real estate is to, as I said, assist anyone who's interested in entering the

space and filling what it is that they see in terms of their vision of being involved in the cannabis


[00:13:53.240] - CJ

I see myself as being as being an assistant to helping people's cannabis dreams come true.

[00:13:59.790] - Elijah

And how do you see things changing? Because like we're talking about with real estate right now,

especially in Kentucky, there are certain regulations and certain standards that you have to have

because a lot of people are entering just with CBD. How do you see things changing as Kentucky gets

into the more regulated cannabis space? Possibly, or like with other states, when things get more

restrictive on the types of property you have to have?

[00:14:27.990] - CJ

Being that Kentucky is about to be a new market, there is going to be somewhat of a premium or what

they call the green tax associated with real estate properties. Oftentimes how it happens is when

people hear the word cannabis, they automatically add a tax to it. Being that they know this is

something where a property owner or a landowner can possibly raise their rents or raise the actual

price. That's something that's definitely going to happen. So what tends to happen is once markets

tend to stabilize or who've had legalization for quite some time, that green tax often diminishes

because the supply and demand actually change. So that's one of the things about Kentucky is as it

stands right now, there is a supply, but it's few and far between in terms of the properties actually

being zoned correctly based on how it's written in current legislation. But that is going to change once

the demand increases. And that's where we're going to see that price increase as it comes more and

more once we reach legalization and once we reach maturity in the space, it's going to be those

extreme highs and those extreme lows that you see in any marketplace when it first opens up.

[00:16:05.350] - CJ

Another thing that I can see changing is traditional lending practices. Currently as it stands, like in

other states, financial institutions tend to not lend to cannabis businesses being that they're still on

prohibition, it's still federally illegal. So that leaves cannabis businesses in a tough spot because it is

an all cast business at this time. And then also when it comes to the real estate tax code, the 208, it's

a federal tax code that prevents plant touching businesses from deducting standard business

expenses. And it's something that hinders the cannabis space right now as we speak. So there's a lot

of factors that go into what's going to happen and what's going to change here in Kentucky because

the legislature is inefficient, I'll say it in the nicest way that I can, to say the least, right. These guys, a

lot of them claim to have never touched the plant or have never smoked the plant. And then that's

where I come in and say, well, if you guys have no experience with the plant, how do you expect to set

up a marketplace or how do you expect to set up a cannabis industry here in the state of Kentucky

that's going to thrive and that's going to stand the test of time.

My answer to that question is that they don't. I mean, they honestly do not know what they're doing.

And it's as clear as day that they don't because they go around asking these questions that have

nothing to do with the actual bottom line where it puts the state and the residents of this

commonwealth in a tough position. Because once cannabis does become legal, there are so many

benefits that are going to be associated with opening up the market for this plant that comes from

Mother Earth, that comes from a seed. It'll be able to provide us with so many fruits here in the state

where the legislators, it's just like it's all lost in translation. They don't hear the 90% of Kentuckians

who support cannabis. It's like you guys are supposed to be working for the constituents, but it's clear

that you're not because a lot of the legislators, they're working off of their interest and special interest

that back a lot of them when it comes to politics being ran by money and those monies and those

profits are often over people, unfortunately.

[00:18:57.210] - Elijah

I absolutely love that you're talking about how legislators are trying to regulate, but they say that they

have no experience with the plant whatsoever. I think about that constantly because, like yourself,

with someone with cannabis experience, it changes the way that you look at the industry and you look

at the way that things need to be regulated. Experience just changes how you understand it.

[00:19:22.320] - CJ

Exactly. And we were supposed to have that hearing today. I'm upset that we didn't have it either. I

know I had plans on testifying if they had the sign up sheet available. I was definitely going to share a

few words with the Senate Licensing and Occupation Committee because that's one of the things that

the legislators, they always talk about is economic growth and workforce development. Well, here we

are at the precipice of the opening of a multibillion dollar industry in the best world to cultivate and

harvest and manufacture cannabis. I call Kentucky the fertile crest and the cannabis. This is the best

place in the world for cannabis to be grown. And it's like we have this unique opportunity here in

Kentucky and the legislators are literally dropping the ball. Even though we're one of the last states to

legalize, really, I can still see the benefit in this situation being that we can see the failures of other

states and where they have failed in terms of their legalization. We should be using what other states

have failed at to create our blueprint here in the state of Kentucky. And it is, as I said, a unique

opportunity that the legislators are dropping the ball on.

[00:20:42.660] - CJ

I mean, we could be at the forefront of this multibillion dollar industry, but yet we're still lagging

behind because of the inefficiencies and the inadequacies of our legislators who I don't know what

they're actually thinking. I sense a lot of them in my dealings and in my talkings with the legislators

that I have relationships with and the ones that I don't. It seems that the ones who don't are often

basing everything off of what they believe and what they feel rather than basing things off what they

know. Because I come from the train of thought, when you believe, you don't know. So you have to

know in order to do more than just believe. And then you have to apply what you know, then that then

becomes wisdom. And that's kind of what I see as missing in politics, is there's things are based on

how things make people feel, are based off of what people believe, which could be false. It could be

the furthest from the truth that it is. But since you believe in it, it sets up a comfort zone for you. That

often happens, especially here in the cannabis space, at the detriment of patients of citizens, of

individuals who are looking for work or who are looking to start businesses.

[00:22:10.970] - CJ

It's hurting all parties involved due to the legislature and their inability to actually push this measure

through. In terms of legalizing medical marijuana, in terms of legalizing recreational marijuana, in

terms of setting up a stronger foundation for hemp, in terms of us actually setting up a cannabis

commission where the actual cannabis plant can be housed in one department under, say, the

department of agriculture, all of the things that I'm saying, it makes the most sense. But as I said

earlier, when dealing with politics and politicians, logic is nonexistent, unfortunately.

[00:22:55.670] - Elijah

I love everything you're talking about, so my next question is, when are you running? Because this is

the sort of voice that we need for cannabis in the legislature.

[00:23:04.650] - CJ

Well, it's interesting that you ask that, because a lot of people ask me that question in point blank,

period. I'm a black man in America. Politics has never done anything for me. So I've been

disassociated for politics from politics for a majority of my life. But I once read a quote was years

ago, that said, even though you don't have an interest in politics, doesn't mean that politics has an

interest in you. It definitely seems that politics has an interest in me, but at this stage of my life, I don't

see myself being involved in politics except for the avenue that I have now in terms of advocating for

the plant politics. It's a lot, it takes a lot, and I can see what politicians go through and the frustrations

associated with politics. But at this stage of my life, it's something that I can't see happening. I have a

seven and a three year old, so that's one of my main focuses right now, is being the best father and

being the best dad that I can possibly be to my two boys. So I can't have something come in between

me and my two sons at this stage of my life just because that's something that's so valuable to me.

[00:24:31.530] - CJ

It's something that I can't squander, I can't give up that value right now. But that's not to say that I

wouldn't run for politics. But, yeah, just at this stage of my life, I'm coming from a point I'm recently

divorced. So in my divorce, being that I have two boys, I gave up everything for my sons. I lost a

substantial amount of money in my divorce where it actually put me below the negative. So that's

where my real focus is right now on my two boys and on building myself up and reestablishing my

legacy. Because I'm coming from a deficit right now and getting involved with politics. That's going to

put a lot more on my plate as of now. But I don't mind being a consultant to people. When people

have questions, by all means, I'll answer those questions to the best of my ability and the knowledge

that I've obtained over the years in the cannabis space. But I won't say I'm not going to run for politics.

I just prefer being a consultant right now.

[00:25:44.110] - CJ

I completely understand that. I'll say the more you talk, though, the more I want you to run. But you're

not completely separated from politics either. You're director of the Kentucky chapter of minorities for

medical marijuana, and you're also a board director for the Kentucky hemp association, correct?

[00:26:01.600] - CJ

Yeah. So those are our pursuits, being involved in the nonprofit space where cannabis is a passion of

mine. And, you know, I don't mind, you know, giving back to cannabis. And, you know, I do that by

serving as the state director for minorities for medical marijuana and also by being on the board of

directors for the Kentucky hemp association. I have a vision for Kentucky when it comes to cannabis,

and much like software is to California, I can see cannabis being that for Kentucky. I can see us being

the epicenter of an international marketplace when it comes to cannabis. Everybody has their eyes on

Kentucky to see what it is that we're going to do here in the state. I had a call a couple of weeks ago

from an international company in the Netherlands who is supplying medical grade cannabis to the

European union right now for medicinal purposes. And here the FDA just recently opened up or gave

out some guidelines for clinical research. So they've actually reached out to me, this company

overseas, and was asking questions about Kentucky. It's like, what's the forecast? What's it look like?

How do you see Kentucky?

[00:27:23.130] - CJ

When do you see Kentucky coming on board for medical marijuana? Because they're actually thinking

about coming here and setting up shop here in Kentucky. So there's a lot that goes into all of this. But

me being in those positions in the nonprofit realm, that's my way of actually giving back. I like to pay

things forward. And this isn't an individual pursuit from me. I am a very selfless person. I view myself

as a catalyst or I view myself as the spark that's going to set a raging inferno that's going to change

the landscape of Kentucky when it comes to cannabis. So any way that I can give back, that's what

I'm doing. I'm a person who likes to stay behind the scenes. I've been doing this work for three years

now, and a lot of people still don't know what it is that I do. And I like it that way sometimes just to not

be in the limelight. I like to be in the background trying to help out as many people as I can to push

them into the limelight. Because the cannabis space, it's showing that it's an amazing industry to be a

part of.

[00:28:40.250] - CJ

And there are more people who are starting to dial in and who are wanting to learn more and to

become more involved in the cannabis space. And any way that I can do that, I definitely am just

trying to help as many people as possible to be multibillion dollars, it's a lot. And it is what you is if

you want to.

[00:29:05.550] - Elijah

And for those of my listeners that may not be familiar with both of those groups, do you want to talk a

little bit about what they represent and what they work towards?

[00:29:15.970] - CJ

Yeah, I mean, it's a lot unfortunate. It is what it is, and it's crazy. It definitely is. And it definitely is a lot

when it comes to cannabis. It's going to help and it's going to hurt. It's going to be what you want to

be. It is what it is. If you want to be a part of this, then you have to do it. You have to give up whatever

it is that's going to cause you to come back. So you have to do it. You have to have that strength. You

have to have six or you have to have steps to actually get figures. It's a lot, but a lot of people don't

know what it actually is and don't know where to go in terms of actually being where we need this

cannabis. It could be anywhere here in the state of Kentucky. Kentucky is the bluegrass state. The

bluegrass, it says it right there. It's that simple. We have the grass here in Kentucky. We have the best

location being where we're located, we have the best weather, we have the best soil. Everything is just

set up perfectly for us here in Kentucky.

[00:30:48.660] - CJ

But it seems as if some of us, specifically the legislators dropping the ball, we are falling behind in

terms of establishing this new marketplace that is cannabis. We have everything here in Kentucky. We

have the best location. We have a fresh water source. We have everything that you can imagine. We

have the limestone in our soil that enriches everything with magnesium and calcium. We have

everything. And yet here we are still with no legal legislation as it relates to medical marijuana and

recreational marijuana. It's sad, it's exhausting. It still is. Understandable because at the end of the

day, it's all about money. And I can see legislators putting themselves in a position to try and

capitalize the most off of the money. I recently learned not too long ago that Senator Stivers in his

district, I believe there's a letter of intent for a processing facility in his district. I don't know if a lot of

people know that or not, but I read this not too long ago about that letter of intent being in his district.

And Senator Stivers. He doesn't like me. I know that for a fact. It was a couple of weeks ago, I was in

Leadership Louisville, the Ignite program, and it was the spring of 2021.

[00:32:26.960] - CJ

Well, Leadership Louisville was actually in Frankfurt a couple of weeks ago while I was there doing

some lobby work. And I saw a few of the individuals who were involved and they were like, yeah, we're

here. You should come by. And we're having a little talk. You should come by. We're in this room. So I

finished my lobby work and I end up going into the room where they are, and it's packed. It's about 50

or 60 people. And they have a few legislators, and they're giving a talk, answering some questions.

And then shortly after I arrive, behind me arrives Senator Stivers. So he starts talking and then he

opens it up for questions. My hand shoots up. And instead of giving him the softball questions, I

challenged him. I asked him a question about social equity and social economics associated with the

history of Kentucky, being that there's no other state in the country that has the history and that has a

storyline that Kentucky has as it relates to cannabis. And I put him on the spot and he turned cherry

red. I'm talking about he was extremely red. And he did not answer my question about social equity or

social economics.

[00:33:40.880] - CJ

He George Bush, basically. He ran around the actual topic. But that's what I'm in the business of, is

trying to challenge these legislators as much as possible. A lot of people don't realize it, but when you

testify or you give testimony or you take a stance, the root word of testimony and testifying is

testicles. So you would have to put your testicles online when you speak, when you talk, when you

give testimony. So that has to be put on the line to make sure that you are telling the truth. Because if

you're not, then you're risking your manhood. And unfortunately, a lot of politicians, they don't have

that viewpoint. They will say one thing behind closed doors and then when it comes to the public, it's

something that's totally different. And I've been trying my best over the last three years to try and get

a meeting with Senator Stivers, senator Thyer, who else was it? Senator Mike Wilson. But it's always

the same response. The calendar is full. We don't have any space. For you. And it's just like, I think

that's because I'm the black guy who's the cannabis advocate, who's going to challenge you

guys'thinking and is going to make you uncomfortable.

[00:35:07.400] - CJ

But that's what we have to do because nothing happens and there's no growth that's associated with

comfort zones. You got to step outside of those comfort zones and where you're comfortable to

actually achieve your true height, to achieve your greatest accomplishments, you have to step outside

of that comfort zone. And that's why I try and preach to these legislators that we can't keep doing

things the way we've been doing them, because the way things have been done is it's been failing the

people of this commonwealth. That's a crazy statement when you talk about the Commonwealth of

Kentucky because it seems like that wealth, it is not common. And in particular here's a brand new

industry where the wealth can be common. But for some reason, the way things are trending, it's

going to be business as usual, where that wealth is only relegated to a few individuals, unfortunately.

But in the business of trying to change that, Appreciate you and your podcast on being able to

highlight a lot of these issues in this topic around cannabis, because this is something that a lot of

people don't know. A lot of people are still believing in belief, and they don't know what actually is at

hand and what's ahead of us and what the actual possibilities are for a legal cannabis marketplace,

there is so much potential that we have literally in the palm of our hands.

[00:36:39.140] - CJ

So it seems as if it's up to the people, it's up to the citizens of the state, it's up to us residents to

actually call and start to harass these legislators and let them know there's no more straddling fence.

You can't straddle the fence. No more. You're either for it or you're against it. If you're against it, great.

If you're for it, we want to know why. So that's why I got to give a huge salute to Matthew and Lauren

with Kentucky normal, patrick and Jean with the Kentucky Cannabis Freedom Coalition, kristen and

Julie with Kentucky moms with medical marijuana. You have Congo with the ACLU. Who else? We

have Raul with the NAACP, and there's so many other organizations out there where we are in a place

where we have formed a coalition to try and bring all of this stuff to the forefront, where we're able to

establish a foundation for this actual marketplace. And that's why we all encourage people to start

contacting their legislators, because enough is enough. We are at a point in time where talk is cheap,

and it's always been cheap. And it seems like that's all politicians have been doing is talking and there

is no action.

[00:38:01.370] - CJ

So that's what we implore people to do is start to call your legislators, start to put their feet to the fire

so we can get this ball moving. We've made a lot of headway. We thought we made a huge try today

by having a Senate committee hearing. Got my hopes up this whole weekend. I'm super excited we've

made it this far in the Senate. It's never been here before. This is the first, but yet it wasn't on the

agenda yesterday. So it's just like Dang, another step back. But we're still here, we're still standing,

we're still fighting. I just want to keep saying it encouraging. People, please contact your legislators.

Look it up on the Internet. It's a quick Google search for you to find out who your legislator is. It's not

too hard. There's numbers out there that you can call to get the legislators on the phone. It's just a

matter of how much are we willing to put forward to move this issue further and then put it in a place

where we can begin to build this industry based off of our specifications. Because the legislators

don't know. They don't know what they're doing.

[00:39:12.040] - CJ

But there are individuals who know exactly what's needed and who know exactly what needs to be

avoided in terms of setting up this cannabis marketplace in the Breadbasket of Cannabis, which is the

bluegrass state of Kentucky. And that pun kind of is intended, being that you have the bluegrass

podcast and here we are in the bluegrass state kind of is coming full circle.

[00:39:38.810] - Elijah

Absolutely. I tell people I'm like, we're going to put the grass back in the bluegrass. It's going to


[00:46:15.740] - Elijah

And I'm glad you're talking about so many groups that are activating and that there are avenues for

people to get involved because sometimes I think people can slow down or get a little depressed

about what might happen. But I like that you're talking about pushing for the things that we want to

happen and talking about those social equity programs. I would love to get your thoughts on the way

that we need, not just to frame that, but the actual things we need to do. Because I think that one of

the failures of some of the other states has been that the aid or the help or whatever these programs

are supposed to be don't actually make it to the people that need it or don't actually end up going to

businesses that do support minorities in different ways.

[00:47:05.340] - CJ